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Monday, February 11, 2013

Golden Retriever - really a better breed than the Labrador?



I was recently reading a site that was talking about dog breed characteristics; it was obvious that the writer thought Golden Retrievers were the BEST breed of dog, as every other breed was compared to a Golden and in some way or other found wanting, example, "Not as friendly as a Golden" or "Not as trainable as a Golden."

Currently I am good friends with several amazing Golden Retrievers and I admit - this is a pretty wonderful breed of dog. Smart, trainable, friendly, affectionate...all the things this other writer was holding up as important considerations.


At the same time, I can't help but notice that popularity wise, the Golden is always playing second fiddle to the Labrador Retriever and it makes me wonder...why? Why do more people choose to live with Labs than with Goldens?


As far as training goes - these are both very trainable breeds, with some slight variation amongst individuals. (I've met individuals of both breeds who were less trainable than rocks, but they are not the norm.) In fact, these breeds share many ancestors in common, the Golden being a later development of retrieving lines.


Is it a size thing? Goldens tend to be slightly taller, a little leggier - they would for example tend to take up more room in a duck hunter's boat, or arguably a little more room on a living room floor or in a bed. There isn't a huge size difference though, so it doesn't seem to be a difference that would really make a difference.


There is a difference in coat length; while a Golden's hair is longer, they certainly don't shed any more than a Lab. Nothing sheds more than a Lab. A Yak that coughed up hair balls couldn't produce more hair than a Lab.







Is it really just a matter of choice in colors? Goldens are...gold.

The shades they come in range from a blond so pale it is white to a red so rich it rivals an Irish Setter.






Labs also come in shades from pale white to fox red; they also can be chocolate including the shade now called silver, and can be black.



Aside from color, there is one other difference - a slight difference in personality.

This is a harder difference to quantify. Having lived with both breeds from childhood I still can't quite put it in words. Either breed can have individuals who are more or less stubborn or eager to please, so that isn't it. I guess the best way I can think to say it is, overall the Golden has a slightly 'softer' personality than the Lab.







But what does that mean? While both breeds can be sensitive, and produce individuals who only need a stern look to shrivel up and crawl away, overall the Lab seems to be more impervious to yelling, shouting, changes in environment... both breeds love children but the Lab just seems a little hardier in the face of family chaos.Many Goldens seem to ever so slightly benefit from a somewhat calmer home than most Labs require.





Which may explain why a home with children is more likely to choose a Lab than a Golden (not all homes with children mind you, but many.)





That said, is it possible that this writer who preferred Goldens was correct, and that ultimately, Goldens are the better breed? Ever so slightly more sensitive, a little more elegant looking, and generally one of the most trainable and friendly tempered breeds, perhaps more of us should be living with Goldens rather than Labs.





And I'm not just saying this because Lil the Lab has once again been escaping from her crate to get into things...although if she reads this, maybe she will take it to heart for five minutes and smarten up!

 (Probably not though - the last book she looked at she just tore the covers off....)




Readers, as always, I'm interested in your opinions. I know some of you have lived with both, or are currently living with one of these breeds.










And of course, I know a few of you have the best of both worlds and have one of each - others of you have gone for the two-fer (two for one) Lab-Golden mix :-)

 Which breed suits your lifestyle and why? Or is there just one look that appeals to you more than the other?






PS - I think I chose a Lab because:

 a) I grew up with some amazing examples of the breed
(and our poor Golden was lovely but not exactly amazing...chewed the siding off the house, ate the butter off the table, and only tolerated children)






b) I knew a Lab would be less sensitive to the annoyances that go with living with terriers like Gracie











c) my family are Lab people and not so coincidentally also very loud people; Labs seem to find us less offensive than Goldens have....





12 comments:

  1. I am not a particular fan of either breed, although I do prefer the look of the working lab, and some of the Goldens. Sorry to say I have met some extremely stupid Labs along the way, belonging to friends or relatives. We used to look after a neighbour's Golden, and she was a terrible chewer as well. Yep, the lab shedding thing is appalling. I have absolutely loved the Flat Coated Retrievers I have met and think it's a shame they aren't more popular. A friend of mine is interested in the Goldendoodle cross and wants to acquire a Standard Poodle to have a few litters with as she thinks they are good family dogs. One of her friends has a male Golden and he has sired a few doodle litters already.
    The Flattie has a high cancer rate and their gene pool is small. Luckily, it's not something I spend a lot of time thinking about except when I see the proliferation of show Labs in parks here, usually overweight and with shorter legs than the working Labs. Don't understand why they are more common than the working ones.

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    1. Hi Cate,

      I would hazard a guess that the shorter labs are more common where you are as they were developed in England, while the taller field dogs were developed largely in the U.S. - you can find both around the world but I've noticed there are more field Labs in the Midwest U.S.(and thus it doesn't surprise me that you see more bench Labs in your parks.)

      As with any over-bred line of dog, some members of the bred are poor examples of what they were originally meant to be and really could turn a person off the dogs altogether. Sorry you've tripped in to so many of poorly bred version :/

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  2. Bench v. field - hmmm which one - same with cockers, the field/working ones are much nicer I think.

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  3. Hmmmm... Golden, please. Both breeds have pluses and maybe fewer minuses than lots of others. After watching kids at yesterdays big party pet, hug, and spoon my goldens for hours, I think goldens are the ultimate attention sponging dogs. Would they tolerate kid rowdiness and manhandling as much as a lab? Probably not, probably depends on their kid exposure too. But if you want a dog that loves unlimited petting, a good golden is a sure bet. Kathy

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    1. I'm not sure you know what a Golden is really like - I have it straight from Gus' mouth that he in fact is not a dog at all, but a person in a dog suit ;-)

      (He said that Ollie is an experiment in crossing teddy bears with polar bears.) Your boys certainly are a pair of love sponges!

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  4. I got my first Labs by accident (a pair of littermates fell into our lives), and I've never wanted anything different! I love the athleticism of Labs, especially field Labs, and that's a big part of why I love them. I've never thought of Goldens as being as athletic as Labs, which is why I've never considered getting a Golden. I also love the drive of field Labs - they "need" to be trained and to use their minds on a regular basis. Although I've never had a Golden in my life, I have the impression that their drive is not as intense.

    As a practical note, I also love that Labs don't need very much grooming, aside from being brushed during shedding season and having their nails clipped.

    BTW, I disagree with the statement that Goldens look "more elegant"! :)

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    1. Sorry KB - as a life-long Lab person the idea of a "shedding season" makes me shake my head - whose kool-aid did you drink :-))))
      I agree with the cartoon I once saw that had two guys following a Lab with a shovel-dust-pan, and big broom - they pause for one panel of the cartoon, which says, "The one second a year when a Lab isn't shedding" and in the next panel they continue on sweeping up after the constantly shedding Lab.

      We'll have to disagree about the elegant part, because my definition of elegant includes long, flowing hair ;-) That's why my elegant back-up dog is a Collie; my Lab is athletic but oh-so-not elegant.

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  5. I"ve known a lot of labs of indeterminate breeding. They were all "good" dogs, lots of fun, certainly! I've really known very few Goldens, now that I think about it. When I first met him and we were just boyfriend-girlfriend, my fiance had a chocolate lab-golden retriever mix; she was a very pretty dog, very sweet and surprisingly calm.

    But, we know that I feel Doberman is the breed for me!

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    1. Jen, I once fell in love with a Doberman - Dreamer - and if I hadn't been helping place him in a home with a disabled person who needed him (as opposed to my just wanting him) I could have easily been a Doberman person for at least Dreamer's lifetime.

      It wasn't that long ago when I thought I'd never live with a Lab again; and now there's Lil. Careful what you say out loud, the universe has a wicked sense of humor ;-)

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  6. For obvious reasons, I love this post! My favorite dog breed is a lab/golden cross. That was my heart dog, Lucy's mix and now puppy Rosie's mix. Previously, we've had lots of Lab mixes and currently have a purebred Lab (uber tall Rudy) and a Golden/Border Collie mix, Jeffie. Jeffie is definitely a person in a dog suit - a very sensitive person in a very hairy dog suit. I've found their is a difference in their sweetness and I like your comment about "softness." Can't say this well, but Golden's (to me) seem to take things to heart more. It is probably the BC, but Jeffie is the sheddingest dog I've ever known :-0 I don't have dust bunnies; I have dust elephants!

    Why am I so attracted to Labs, Goldens, Border Collies? I don't really know. Though my folks had a Lab when I was born, he passed on while I was a toddler and I don't remember him. Subsequent dogs: Cocker Spaniel, Beagle, and Dachshund. My grandparents had Beagles and Staffies... My first dog of my own: Dobie / Shepherd mix. The theme is BIG dogs, I guess. :-)

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    1. Sue,
      My grandfather had a lab-golden (possibly border) mix - the biggest sweetheart, with eyes that were really soul melting. I agree, Goldens do tend to take things to heart.

      Lil just doesn't get my concept of wrong at all; she gives me a hurt look when I hold up a torn up item and loudly proclaim, "What bad dog did this?" But then she wags her tail, runs over and looks around like, "hey that was me! I'll do it again, just watch."
      Jenny will actually hank her head in shame when she sees something Lil has done and leave the room like, "You're just giving dogs a bad name now...."
      Even my big cat sometimes leans over and smacks Lil in the head, "Just smarten up you big doofus!"
      Lil takes none of it to heart though.

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    2. As I read your reply my own big doofus has his big head on my leg... looking at me soulfully and hoping I'll head towards the kitchen. I need to write a blog post about Rudy and his behavior towards puppy Rosie. (Actually, I need to take some video). The sweetness squeezes the heart. And so happy go lucky. I wish I could shrug things off like Rudy. Then there's my soulful poet, Jeffie :-) Okay... Rudy wins. I'm off to get some dog cookies.

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